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Bernanke to brief Congress on the economy

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Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is scheduled to brief Congress Tuesday on the economy, which has been walloped by high energy prices and fallout from the housing slump and credit crunch.

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{"commentId":2197240,"authorDomain":"jasonbrombach"}

This is just a market correction. Granted, the energy problem is real and will not go away but everything else is just a temporary flux.

Our economic problems aren't anywhere near the depression or stagflation eras.

We will just have to weather the storm the best we can. I know that is easier to say for some people than others but it is all we can do.

Letting our largest financial institutions fail or boycotting consumer goods is counter productive, people. You want to drive up unemployment even worse? You want to make it even harder for decent people to afford housing? You want to destroy hard working people's 401(k)s and other retirement investment savings? That is what doing these things will cause.

I know it's easy to feel bitter that the goverment is using our taxpayer money to bail out these "wall street fat cats" but I assure you that most of the employees that work in these institutions are not the fat cats with millions of dollars sitting around. Most of them are just hardworking grunts like you and I with families and mortgages.

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Reply#26 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
{"commentId":2197531,"authorDomain":"hsp"}

You are confused, Jason. Any economic problem can be addressed either through "fiscal policy" (i.e., what the Fed'l Government does) or "monetary policy" (i.e, what the Fed'l Reserve does). "Monetary policy" addresses the money supply through manipulation of interest rates and reserve requirements. "Fiscal policy" depends on taxation and spending. However, lost in the economic gobbledygook is the basic fact that a dollar is a dollar.

IF you believe that fixing the mortgage crisis by lowering interest rates was designed to help the "poor grunts" then you're wrong. IF the government truly wanted to bail out "poor grunts", they could have taken the money we lost, with the devaluation of the dollar caused by interest rate reductions (and we're talking hundreds of billions), and, instead, have poured it into Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and offered direct refinancing assistance. In fact, they could have done that at a fraction of the cost, in dollars, which the "monetarist" solution ultimately cost them (remember, the Fed'l Government also has to buy stuff and their dollars got devalued too). But they didn't do that.

No, the decision to use "monetary policy", instead of "fiscal policy", to fix a problem which "monetary policy" caused in the first place, was made because only Fat Cats can benefit from alterations in "monetary policy". Unless you, as an individual, actually can get "prime rate" lending (which you, as a "poor grunt" cannot), you must concede the point. AND that's my point about a boycott. Two weeks won't kill anyone not already half dead, BUT it will send a powerful message. AND THE MESSAGE IS THAT THIS MONEY BELONGS TO US, TOO! NOT just the folks who can get "prime".

Once again, folks, send the message - OCTOBER 1 through OCTOBER 15. Tell the Government and Wall St. that THIS IS YOUR MONEY, NOT THEIRS! Don't spend it. If you cannot do without that new dress (sewn in China) or new pair of running shoes (made by child labor in Indonesia) for two weeks, then you deserve to be used and devoured by Wall St.

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    #26.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2197577,"authorDomain":"brianjoycem"}
    Brian MorganDeleted
    {"commentId":2198030,"authorDomain":"miggers15"}

    Come on just tell me the CEOs at Freddy and Fanny are taking PAY CUTS!

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      #26.3 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2200570,"authorDomain":"wh0cantell"}

      A few more banks crash and we'll see if this is just a "correction" or not. Just ask the people in line at IndyMac.

      People made the same kind of excuses about The Great Depression.

      John D. Rockefeller,

      "These are days when many are discouraged. In the 93 years of my life, depressions have come and gone. Prosperity has always returned and will again."

      And does this sound familiar?

      Beckoning Frontiers (New York, Alfred A. Knopf, 1951)
      (by Marriner S. Eccles, who served as Franklin D. Roosevelt's Chairman of the Federal Reserve from November 1934 to February 1948):

      As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption, mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth -- not of existing wealth, but of wealth as it is currently produced -- to provide men with buying power equal to the amount of goods and services offered by the nation's economic machinery. [Emphasis in original.] Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-30 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. This served them as capital accumulations. But by taking purchasing power out of the hands of mass consumers, the savers denied to themselves the kind of effective demand for their products that would justify a reinvestment of their capital accumulations in new plants. In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped.

      That is what happened to us in the twenties. We sustained high levels of employment in that period with the aid of an exceptional expansion of debt outside of the banking system. This debt was provided by the large growth of business savings as well as savings by individuals, particularly in the upper-income groups where taxes were relatively low. Private debt outside of the banking system increased about fifty per cent. This debt, which was at high interest rates, largely took the form of mortgage debt on housing, office, and hotel structures, consumer installment debt, brokers' loans, and foreign debt. The stimulation to spending by debt-creation of this sort was short-lived and could not be counted on to sustain high levels of employment for long periods of time. Had there been a better distribution of the current income from the national product -- in other words, had there been less savings by business and the higher-income groups and more income in the lower groups -- we should have had far greater stability in our economy. Had the six billion dollars, for instance, that were loaned by corporations and wealthy individuals for stock-market speculation been distributed to the public as lower prices or higher wages and with less profits to the corporations and the well-to-do, it would have prevented or greatly moderated the economic collapse that began at the end of 1929.

      The time came when there were no more poker chips to be loaned on credit. Debtors thereupon were forced to curtail their consumption in an effort to create a margin that could be applied to the reduction of outstanding debts. This naturally reduced the demand for goods of all kinds and brought on what seemed to be overproduction, but was in reality underconsumption when judged in terms of the real world instead of the money world. This, in turn, brought about a fall in prices and employment.

      Unemployment further decreased the consumption of goods, which further increased unemployment, thus closing the circle in a continuing decline of prices. Earnings began to disappear, requiring economies of all kinds in the wages, salaries, and time of those employed. And thus again the vicious circle of deflation was closed until one third of the entire working population was unemployed, with our national income reduced by fifty per cent, and with the aggregate debt burden greater than ever before, not in dollars, but measured by current values and income that represented the ability to pay. Fixed charges, such as taxes, railroad and other utility rates, insurance and interest charges, clung close to the 1929 level and required such a portion of the national income to meet them that the amount left for consumption of goods was not sufficient to support the population.

      This then, was my reading of what brought on the depression.

      Read my previous links on Phil Gramm and the legislation he snuck through congress that created the sub-prime mortgage crisis. Consider the Bush tax cuts just a few months into his administration that forced the fed to lower interest rates to ridiculous levels of one percent to offset Bush's emptying the treasury into his wealthy friends' pockets with his tax cuts for the rich. These tax cuts and the ensuing rate drops made the cheap money available for the subprime lenders. Consider the massive, record national debt Bush created almost overnight even thought he was handed a balanced budget and a declining debt when he took office.

      Bush's reckless, incompetent, insane economic policies have brought this on all of us. And we're to blame too for our failure to demand accountability from this charlatan, this thief, this liar.

      But it's OK with Bush. He's making a fortune on the misery and suffering of others just as his family has done for generations. Just as his grandfather did by financing the Nazi war machine. Just as his father did by laying the groundwork that created America's previous banking scandal -- the Savings and Loan debacle of the 1980's.

      The Bush family. Not America's first family. America's WORST family.

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        #26.4 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":2197268,"authorDomain":"JKevinS"}

        This situation is by design and the designers make ignorant public statements so as to make people think they are uncapable of such a grand scheme as the one they have perpetuated on us. Follow the money and most everything we are up against is on the other side. We dont control the Federal Reserve, it controls us. We have been sold out yet will still have to pay the crooks because of the laws they make our elected officials pass.

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          Reply#27 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2197314,"authorDomain":"brianjoycem"}
          Brian MorganDeleted
          {"commentId":2197406,"authorDomain":"whitley99"}

          Its time for Americans to get up off their a&* and tell these politicians to stop the BS and make something happen.... all they do is go in circles over and over... Regulate the gas prices pay the difference with the money they send over in aid to other countries and take the load off the American people then the economy will come back strong.... come on you have high gas prices it touches everything we do. FIX THE PRICE OR WE WILL FIND NEW PEOPLE WHO WILL.... Send the message Americans.... we don't have to take it.

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            Reply#29 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2197458,"authorDomain":"biotechatty"}

            My ex-brother-in-law and his wife ran a mortgage company. They were (and are) the two biggest crooks in the state. They both filed bankruptcy and lied like hell to the court and the FBI. And yet, they have never been indicted. Go figure....

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              Reply#30 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2197517,"authorDomain":"steve-sue"}
              crap-O-laDeleted
              {"commentId":2197539,"authorDomain":"patb-1"}

              Let's see, we lose our ass we pay. They lose their ass we pay. Seems to be pattern.....

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              Reply#32 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2200618,"authorDomain":"wh0cantell"}

              Heads they win. Tails we lose.

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                #32.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":2197728,"authorDomain":"gfelsing"}

                We are paying for our complacency, ignorance and indifference during the 2000 and 2004 elections. For God's sake America, wake up and do something about it in November.

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                Reply#33 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2200637,"authorDomain":"wh0cantell"}

                Do ya' think? Even with the "liberal" media printing magazine covers depicting Obama and his wife as flag burning, AK-47 toting, bin Laden loving Muslims? Do ya' actually think so?

                I don't.

                FOUR MORE YEARS! :(

                This democracy is toast.

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                  #33.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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                  {"commentId":2197752,"authorDomain":"miggers15"}

                  Hey Bernanke ...another corporate bail out? Where's mine!!!!!!!

                  Why is it when American workers are in trouble you blow it off but when you're a corporate Titanic and you failure is gigantic down in Congress there's a safety net for you? Just give me the deal you give Fanny and Freddy! Is this free market or what? Hey Bernanke why don't the CEOs take a pay cut? Now there's the biggest joke of the century!!!!!!!

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                    Reply#34 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2197792,"authorDomain":"wgoin"}

                    To oldefart: Oh yeah, and wipe out the small business owners who are hurting like everyone else. That makes no sense. People work at grocery stores, clothing stores, hardware stores, etc. These people will be hurt by what you are suggesting.

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                      Reply#35 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2197874,"authorDomain":"hellowe2u"}

                      I watched Bush's press conference. It is like Goebbels telling the German people
                      everything is not so bad in February, 1945.

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                        Reply#36 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2197958,"authorDomain":"gfelsing"}

                        Goebbels would've been proud of W's snowjob for the last 8 years.

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                          Reply#37 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2197961,"authorDomain":"jefflanning13"}

                          I was working in a factory when Bush got in the first time and told my friend that we are in trouble. Tha factory closed last year and the country is a mess thanks to this dumb a!!hole. Do you think I was right?

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                            Reply#38 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2199097,"authorDomain":"dougg-1957"}

                            Yea your write. I saw the writing on the wall.

                            The English news papers' headline read something like this "How could 5? million be so stupid". Something along that line. I was thinking the samething at the time.

                            The question now is, can we survive the next 6 months or will we go down? It doesn't matter what administration gets in there next term, we're screwed for a few years at least.

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                              #38.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":2198008,"authorDomain":"pbierre"}

                              These guys won't address the root cause. Loan originators have to carry some financial risk when they "sell" a loan. The idea of receiving a transaction fee and washing one's hands of all risk is what started this mess.

                              But, the credit "band-aid" is just a symptom of the collapse of the job market, going on since 2001. If you count new people entering the job market (200,000 / month, thanks to our corporate-driven immigration policy), the job market is falling behind by 300,000 jobs / month, or 3.6 million per year.

                              Yeah, job opportunity is shrinking dangerously. We're in a job/income panic.

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                                Reply#39 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2198164,"authorDomain":"miggers15"}

                                I'll agree with that. It has been that way since 2001 and the government hid it by hiring 550,000 new employees to become the country's larges employer. Then they print the money to pay them! If it's not unemployment it's underemployment!

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                                  #39.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
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                                  {"commentId":2198023,"authorDomain":"twatson3"}

                                  I have one thing to say:
                                  Fairtax.org - check it out please

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                                    Reply#40 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2198130,"authorDomain":"miggers15"}

                                    Everything is not that bad. Just go to a junior college and take courses in floor sweeping 101 and 102 and you too may be able to work at Walmart and further the spiral of this infestation. After all that's McSame's answer to the problem! Of course when your wife makes $40,000,000.00 a year and you collect SS and disability I guess you don't have that much to worry about!!!! How can someone possibly be that greedy to collect SS and disability when your family income is almost 50 million a year?

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                                      Reply#41 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2198181,"authorDomain":"hogtie-1"}

                                      Might as well kill ourselves!

                                      I don't see any other solution!
                                      Oh! Except not buying anything for two weeks!

                                      God, you people are depressing.

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                                        Reply#42 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":2198244,"authorDomain":"pbierre"}

                                        Oh yeah, and talk about an overleveraged financial sector. The hedge funds are totally unregulated as far as leveraging, so it's typical to be leveraged at 15-20X. There is something like $50 Trillion in debt floating
                                        on Wall St.

                                        The bank collapses in 1929 led to rules about margin limits, which banks and mutual funds have to obey. So, the clever people go around these margin limits by getting into unregulated instruments, and the dumb as @!$%# people in Govt. let 'em do it because their "ideology" is against regulation. Now look at the mess we're in!!! And it's happened before. You can bet some people won fistfuls of money putting the others at peril. How is this any different from other forms of white collar crime? Answer: you elected a bunch of shysters in 2000 and again in 2004. They're letting their buddies rip you off.

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                                          Reply#43 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":2198320,"authorDomain":"miggers15"}

                                          Yep, unregulated hedge funds and anonymous futures investments thus the $ for gasoline!
                                          But hey Goldman Sachs is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!

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                                            #43.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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                                            {"commentId":2198591,"authorDomain":"firemedic258"}

                                            I am completely comforted by the fact that Phil Gramm has informed me that all of these "economic difficulties" are in my mind. Just an illusion!!!! Yesterday, when I went to Walmart to buy food and noted that the milk had increased another .30/gallon in price, I merely told that it was all in my mind! I have also made sure I didn't whine about it! Now, if you will excuse me, I am having tea with the Easter Bunny, Tinker Bell and the Mad Hatter.

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                                              Reply#44 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2198758,"authorDomain":"steve-sue"}
                                              crap-O-laDeleted
                                              {"commentId":2198845,"authorDomain":"wizz220"}

                                              Stand by folks, the 5+ TRILLION dollar bail out of fannie and freddie is coming. Better watch out and please read the consitution. It is illiagal to take tax payers money to bail out a company period.

                                              Especially if they bailout comp a and say F you to comp b. Plus the fact that if the gov has no intentions of giving freedie and fannie the 5 plus trillion then what Bush and admin said and testified to today was FRAUD.

                                              Tax payers money can not be used to BUY STOCK or special interests in a company period. This according to the constitution and by trial judges who has dealt with constitutional matters.

                                              What the gov did today knowing full well that we the USA just cant take on a 5+ TRILLION dollar debt that fannie and freddy currently is holding on their books is nothing short of fraud. Why to artificaly proping up the stock prices for these 2 companies. That is fraud and if a investor pulled this crap the SEC would have that person locked up.

                                              Todays news conferences on capital hill and what not was nothing but to put on a grand show and commit fraud.

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                                                Reply#46 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2199618,"authorDomain":"nonstopjoe"}

                                                I guess inflation isn't very "benign" any more. All the lies and misrepresentations by Bernanke can't hide the fact that the cost of living is substantially higher this year than last. The CPI is meaningless - it's the cost of food and energy that are killing family budgets.

                                                Thank goodness we've only got a few more months of the Bush Administration. Just hold your noses and pray.

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                                                  Reply#47 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":2199641,"authorDomain":"joemcghee"}

                                                  Well, I see that the Brazilian economy is booming and expanding all over the place. Gee, you think it could have something to do with the fact that they became energy-independent from OPEC years ago and all their American-made cars are driving around on ethanol from sugar cane? What's that? No cash drain to OPEC? You mean all their energy spending stays in their own national economy? We wouldn't be so foolish to do something like that. In fact the environmental nazis just shut down sugar cane farms in Floridas everglades so we could return it all to the crocs and gators. So, now we can import all our sugar from latin-America in places like.......................................................Brazil.

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                                                    Reply#48 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":2199755,"authorDomain":"joemcghee"}

                                                    Well, I see that the Brazilian economy is doing just fine, growing and expanding all over the place. Gee, do you think it could have something to do with the fact that Brazil has been energy-independent from OPEC for years while they drive their American made cars around on ethanol from sugar cane? What's that? No huge cash drain to OPEC and all their energy spending stays right in their own economy? Now we would never be so foolish to do something like that. In fact, the environmental lobby just shut down our own sugar cane farms in the Florida everglades so we could return them all to the crocs and gators. So, now we can import all of our sugar from latin-America in places like.........................................................................................................Brazil.

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                                                      Reply#49 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2199877,"authorDomain":"htonamie"}

                                                      I personnally decided not to purchase a home, especially in light of the outrageous costs that developers and ordinary sellers were asking for properties. Many americans made the decision to give into these ridiculous prices, and millions more took advantage of home equity loans to finance even more inane purchases, such as SUVs, boats, vacations. As the consequence of their irresponsible behavior raises its ugly head to the surface, these same people are now screaming about how they were taken advantage of by banks, mortgage companies, developers, the list is endless and they are now asking the government and the rest of the american taxpayers to ignore their irresponsible behavior and pay for their poor choices. the fact is no bank, mortgage company, credit union forced anyone to take a loan. we are all adults and capable of making rational decisions, even though many choose not to. if you've made a bad choice, then the consequences of your behavior and choices are yours, not the rest of the taxpaying public who already carry a large enough tax burden without an additional increase for those folks not responsible enough to accept the fact that they made a bad choice. my sentiment is the same for those individuals who managed to sink themselves into enough credit card debt and other debt that they find it easier to file for bankruptcy rather than tough it out and pay off the debt. life is about learning to live below your means not above it and screaming for everyone else to pay your debt for you.

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                                                        Reply#50 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:26 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2199982,"authorDomain":"thepooles"}

                                                        I remember Bernanke stating months ago that speedy and firm action must be taken regarding Bear Stearns before it affects the "real" world. That was quite telling. So the smoke and mirror scam of high finance is a sort of parallel world while we the proletariat live in the "real" realm. Let me be frightening frank. Sometime in the late 80s the moneyed class again became bored and looked for diversion. "Let's scoop in more money!" (the usual pasttime from a class lacking creative imagination for diversion). Let's tell homeowners they have a fantastic goldmine under their drywall perches and clean up when these naive but greedy real estate squatters fearlessly strip their new found magical equity! A giant hoax and con was perpetrated by the hollow class. It was a completely artifical means of "growing" the economy by an artifical water source. Get ready for the endgame. John Poole

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                                                          Reply#51 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:40 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":2200024,"authorDomain":"scoad5"}

                                                          Bears and Sterns, Fannie, Freddie. These monster institutions didn't all the sudden "hollow out" on stability. I think it needs to be determined when the failing policies were implemented and who was in charge. The leading executives of these institutions must have know one another and seem to have adopted a similar recklessness. How much did they increase their own compensation while they destroyed these major/important Icon's of America's financial strength? What will happen if it is found that the FDIC has been subject to the same disgraceful leadership?

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                                                            Reply#52 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":2200171,"authorDomain":"dndmelcher"}

                                                            And are things really as bad as some of you indicate? I'm over 60, retired, my wife of 55 works part time, because she wants to. I play golf every week, we are buying a custom built 2400 sq ft home. We have 2 cars, a 98 and 2004. We are flying to California twice a year to visit family. We are going to Hawaii and also Europe.

                                                            We are just regular people didn't make millions, but maybe we can do these things because we have a financial plan of our own. Sorry for all those who have nothing to do but complain about what they don't have. Each family needs to think about themselves and quit complaining about the government. And big business is not at fault. Please spend think time and study. Quit watching tv and the talk shows and you might find yourselves. It's up to you and no one else. Please learn that NOW if you haven't yet.

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                                                              Reply#53 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":2200524,"authorDomain":"thepooles"}

                                                              Reality just hasn't sunk in perhaps for you. There are tens of thousands of well off people who are clueless about what is to transpire. I believe you may be in for a serious pondering session when your retirement assets seems to vanish. But the hard times should give humanity a chance to improve their character. Golfing is a perverse;y heavy carbon footprint activity to have as a pastime. You also retired pretty early in my opinion. Was the work that dissatisfying? I plan to work until I drop because I planned on a livlihood that is very gratifying even into feebleness. Just a different take on reality.

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                                                                #53.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":2200834,"authorDomain":"wh0cantell"}

                                                                Good to hear you're doing well, David. I'm doing well too but I'd never even think of blaming the current economic crisis on the American people only.

                                                                The market forces and extreme incompetence of the current administration led the American people into this dead end. They could have made the choice to spend less earlier but that would only have exacerbated the dilemma by reducing demand for goods which would have had an even more negative impact on employment and only quickened the downward spiral.

                                                                The American consumer kept this economy afloat despite Bush's reckless economic policies. If the Bush administration had followed sensible economic policies instead of creating a record debt and wasting over a trillion dollars so far on Bush's unnecessary, ill-conceived war in Iraq, this economy wouldn't be in the throws of recession (or depression) that it's in today.

                                                                But what do you expect from a Bush? Same thing happened when his daddy ran things. Another banking scandal, wider gap between the haves and have-nots (George W. Bush quote: "This is an impressive crowd -- the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite; I call you my base."), another war, more corruption, bigger government, bigger deficit, etc., etc., etc.

                                                                But the American people still can't seem to learn to stay out of the Bushes.

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                                                                  #53.2 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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